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Peregrine 2007-04-02, 20:01 #1
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Subject: OGG bug
Anyone else having issues with OGG? As more and more of my stuff become OGG I notice more and more issues. When a string of OGG's are queued, the menus are almost impossible to navigate. Everything seems on a delay.
It's getting so bad, I just started to go back to 320 MP3's.

Today I had over 30 OGG's queued and every other song would pause for about 2 seconds, 2 times back to back. Next song would be fine. Next would be the 2 pauses again.

This does not happen with MP3's.

Apparently, as our friend from Poland mentioned, there is a problem with battery life using OGG's, as well??

Anyone else using lots of OGG's?
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crunchyfrog (Moderator) 2007-04-02, 20:12 #2
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<pedantry>

you mean vorbis.  ogg is the container.

</pedantry>

 :-p  ;-)
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RubenNYC 2007-04-02, 20:23 #3
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Yeah, the menus are slow as molasses when playing Vorbis.  To me it's worth the trade off to get gapless perfection.
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jambands 2007-04-02, 23:38 #4
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Funny, my first Karma always had gapless issues with vorbis, never with mp3.
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Tetley 2007-04-03, 03:46 #5
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This bug is killing me. Surely Trekstor can fix this somehow with a firmware upgrade? It's not so much the navigation that gets me - I usually just choose my playlist and then stick it in my pocket - but the pauses/gaps in music playback are a real pain.
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RubenNYC 2007-04-03, 06:18 #6
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Honestly, I don't get the pauses hardly ever.  I have on occasion heard one appending a bunch of music while a Vorbis track is playing, but that's rare.  I don't think I've ever heard a pause or gap this way when just listening.  I just queued up 36 Vorbis tracks, I'll let you know how it goes.

Eight tracks in and not a single pause of any sort.  I'm using Vorbis Q6 (~192 Kbps VBR) converted from FLAC.
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theRover 2007-04-03, 07:17 #7
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My wife's 8 GB vibez is completely full, with an estimated 90-95% of it being Q6 ogg vorbis files. She most often listens by using DJ->Random Mix->Unlimited. The menus can be a little slow, but I've never noticed (and she hasn't mentioned) any playback issues.
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Tetley 2007-04-03, 08:24 #8
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Hmm, well the mystery deepens, as I've experienced gaps in the first two days of ownership. Handy for train announcements on the commute if the player times it right though!

I'm also using Vorbis Q6 (~192 Kbps VBR) converted from FLAC or ripped directly. They play fine on my pc so perhaps it's the fact I'm playing an unlimited random mix that's slowing it down. That said, I've only put about 4 gigs on so far - surely that shouldn't be enough to jam its brain.

Well, I'll experiment with 1 hr playlists through DJ > Entertain Me and see how I get on.
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RubenNYC 2007-04-03, 10:16 #9
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I've got 98 Vorbis tracks playing with Shuffle on.  I haven't heard a single pause at all other than the few manually induced ones when I reached over and pressed the pause button.  :-p
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Peregrine 2007-04-03, 14:22 #10
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Quote by crunchyfrog:
<pedantry>

you mean vorbis.  ogg is the container.

</pedantry>

 :-p  ;-)

No, I mean OGG you freaking pedantic nazis!
:D

The file type is OGG. It is called "Ring Of Fire.OGG" not "Ring of fire.vorbis".

Maybe the pauses are because I rip at Q10?!?

Regardless, it is killing me, as well.
The crap navigation is what is killing me. Forget adjusting the EQ while OGG's are running. Or rewinding tracks easily.
I don't understand how this could get by the developers.

and why does it take so long to release a new firmware? When are companies going to learn we would rather have 10 updates, once a month, instead of one update every 12 months?
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RubenNYC 2007-04-03, 15:05 #11
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Quote by Peregrine:
and why does it take so long to release a new firmware? When are companies going to learn we would rather have 10 updates, once a month, instead of one update every 12 months?

Unless the vibez constitutes Trekstor's or Sigmatel's entire product line, this will never ever happen.  Keep in mind, this firmware really dates back to the legendary empeg car player.   That's gotta be at least 6 years plus of code that needs to be validated whenever there's a change.

So, be careful what you wish for.
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philibuster 2007-04-03, 16:30 #12
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How about you re-encode to Q5 or something sane like that.  At Q5 I can barely tell the difference in a silent room, and Q10 is probably overkill.  If you're going to go to Q5 why not just put flacs on there?  Flacs decode much faster than vorbis, actually.
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Peregrine 2007-04-03, 17:17 #13
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Roger that Ruben.

FLC is much larger then a Q5 OGG, no?
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RubenNYC 2007-04-03, 17:31 #14
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I vote for Vorbis Q6.  Sounds like the CD to me.  I haven't done a side by side comparison, but I love the results I get with Q6.
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philibuster 2007-04-04, 00:50 #15
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flac is on the order of 1/3-2/3 of a wav file.  A vorbis is teeney tiny at Q6 (~160kbs).  At Q6 I can't ABX flac to vorbis unless I listen 800 times over to the one portion that doesn't encode perfectly, so yeah, Q6 is fine sound quality wise.  http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Recommended_… says that Q5 achieves transparency, but I think Q4 is even good enough, because most people are in louder environments.  This is what I use.  There is minimal lag, and good sound quality.

by the way:
If you want to tell the difference between high quality vorbis and lossless, listen for the transients, and very high frequency sounds, like cymbal crashes and "T" sounds.
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