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radish 2006-09-13, 13:02 #31
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Well I ordered one, we'll see how it is. If I have trouble with the gapless I'll either rockbox it or return it. If anyone needs a couple of spare Karmas let me know...
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Einkoro (Administrator) 2006-09-13, 13:03 #32
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I've been waiting for today's announcements.  Not because I wanted a widescreen video iPod, but because I figured that stores would be clearing out the old ones.  Sure enough, the 60 gig 5G iPod is $299 while supplies last.  And as you know, it's Rockbox compatible.

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Mass storage, hassle-free gapless, FLAC and Vorbis support.  It sounds amazing with the hardware equalizer enabled.  Hell of a deal, too.

I'd be all over that if it wasn't for the battery life. I suppose I could use a car adapter but what about those times I'm not in the car? I must say the picture there is pretty, I like the wallpaper.

Transcoding it from FLAC to ACC isn't really an option for me as I currently only own a small percentage of my library and I really can't lay down $5000 or so to buy the rest right now and not to mention the cost of some new storage drives. Then there are the sountracks I have extracted from games in mp3 and Ogg Vorbis with no lossless source.

I'll wait a bit to see what other new players come out and what experiances anyone here has with mp3 when they get one.
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I'd be all over that if it wasn't for the battery life. I suppose I could use a car adapter but what about those times I'm not in the car? I must say the picture there is pretty, I like the wallpaper.
I've used it for about 4.5 hours total, and the battery indicator is saying there's half (well, two of the four bars) left.  Eight or nine hours isn't too bad, considering I've got both the hardware and software equalizers on and I've been playing mostly Ogg Vorbis files.  Also, I've been playing around with the options and themes a lot.  It's far from optimized, so battery life can only get better.  The only snag I've run into so far is that the music pauses for about a second when you enter one of the equlizer adjustment menus.
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LycoLoco 2006-09-13, 14:05 #34
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What about the Vibez? Why's everyone getting iPods :-(
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What about the Vibez? Why's everyone getting iPods :-(
Because you can get the iPod right now and the Vibez may or may not be released here. I know what they said but I'll believe it when I see it. Plus the Vibez is maxed out at 15GB, where the new iPod is 80GB.

I hate to say I'm now entertaining picking one up...at this moment. I mean I may actually leave work right now and possibly get one.
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Einkoro (Administrator) 2006-09-13, 14:33 #36
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Now that everyone runs out and buys an iPod something better will come out shortly after.  :-p
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What about the Vibez? Why's everyone getting iPods

15GB < 80GB.  80 still isn't enough, but it's much better.
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LycoLoco 2006-09-13, 15:07 #38
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15GB < 80GB.  80 still isn't enough, but it's much better.
But at least it's not an iPod.
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jaw2ek 2006-09-13, 19:15 #39
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OK.  I just loaded itunes 7 and firmware 1.2 on my father-in-law's 5G ipod, which is only a month old.  When itunes 7 loads, it analizes the library for "gapless information"  The tracks played gaplessly on the computer, but I heard gaps onthe ipod.  This ipod is mostly jazz, so I've been testing with Amhad Jamal's "Amhad's Blues", which is live. Then I decided to erase and reload these tracks.  As they loaded, suddenly, itunes started analizing the tracks on the ipod as well.  Amhad's Blues plays gaplessly now.

There's only one other album to test with, "Judy Garland at Carnegie Hall", but I haven't tried yet.

Still, no cross-fading, which I'd prefer.

I'd try Rockbox, if the ipod were mine.  I bought the ipod for his birthday because my father-in-law is a bit of a techno-phobe and needed something he could just use out-of-box.  Rockbox is definetely NOT for him.  Even with dual-boot, I don't want to mess with it, since its not mine.

EDIT:  Opened the metadata for tracks I ripped with itunes 7 (using foobar2000).  I notice a tag that I don't remember seeing:  ITUNSMPB.  I assume this the cue sheet info that goes into the ipod's DB.
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hmm, looks like it's time to update my firmware.  gapless isn't something to be sniffed at, when it will get me much better battery life.

but golly damn i'm regretting buying all my stuff from AllofMP3 in Vorbis now.
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but golly damn i'm regretting buying all my stuff from AllofMP3 in Vorbis now.
:-) I try not to pay for anything that isn't both lossless and DRM free. I've batch converted my music between different permutations of MP3, Vorbis, AAC, WMA Lossless, FLAC (always converting from a lossless version of course) so many times now to suit different software/hardware, having stuff that's fixed in a particular format just isn't an option. (Though sometimes I don't have a choice, in which case MP3 seems the safest bet.)

I would've batch converted to ATRAC as well if Sony weren't a bunch of stupid pigf*****s and actually provided a way to batch convert to ATRAC (without inserting gaps).

It's a shame more players don't support Vorbis but I guess there isn't a huge economic reason to do so.
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luketabor 2006-09-14, 00:44 #42
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Well they're in 192 quality and at least Vorbis is a gapless format so it shouldn't be too horrible to transcode it.  And after all, it's coming out of an iPod so it's not an incredible source regardless.
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nudel 2006-09-14, 01:29 #43
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Quote by luketabor:
Well they're in 192 quality and at least Vorbis is a gapless format so it shouldn't be too horrible to transcode it.  And after all, it's coming out of an iPod so it's not an incredible source regardless.

Aren't the newer iPods supposed to have pretty good sound quality?

Listening to transcoded music isn't the worst thing that can happen to us, it's true. I've always hated the idea of it but never actually tried it to see if I could tell the difference.
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Heh, I could tell the difference on some of my transcoded stuff.  That is, years ago, I had a bunch of WMAs ripped in WMP, then I converted them to -aps mp3s.  Ouch.
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I'm willing to bet that for most people, going from -q6 vorbis to -aps mp3 won't be hugely noticable (esp. if you're using stock headphones), IF the .oggs came from a lossless source.  The problem is that most of allofmp3's stuff is NOT from a lossless source, so your .oggs are already transcoded (unless they were marked "OEEX"), and this will be a transcode of a transcode. Ick. Permaybehaps you want to transcode a couple and do some ABXing before you batch them all out. 

That said, if you decide to go that route, I'd keep those original .oggs around and just keep the transcoded mp3s on your dap.  You never know when someone might come out with a true Karma successor ("true" = "vibez feature set + real hard drive") that you could use the oggs on.
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