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Einkoro (Administrator) 2006-10-06, 00:33 #136
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Quote by Ankle:
In my quest for a black dock I only found the VIVO Black 30gb iPod dock. Apparently the 80Gb doesn't fit. :(

The Logic3 Universal Dock is black.

Link to someplace I can get it in Canada or ships to Canada? I've searched but all I can find is the Logic3 iStation Dock Speaker thing.

Edit: Funny, I can't even see any docks without speakers on the logic3 website. Also a very awful website.
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Canada? Dunno. :(

UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/APPLE-UNIVERSAL-INC-REMOTE…?ie=UTF8

Amazon.com also list it although it was out of stock when I looked yesterday. Maybe Logic3 have discontinued the model or something. Maybe they think everyone wants crapacular speakers built into their dock...

What's the point of a dock, anyway? Do you want to plug it into a stereo and use the line-out and remote control, or do you just want a lump of plastic reserving space on the desk? I'm still just using the USB cable.
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Einkoro (Administrator) 2006-10-06, 12:35 #139
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So I can drop it in the dock connected to the PC to charge/sync, just like my past Karma. Spray painting it would look like ass and tends to flake off of plastics.
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Spray painting it would look like ass and tends to flake off of plastics.

I know, I was just being an ass.
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Einkoro (Administrator) 2006-10-06, 14:53 #141
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Well the 60gb and 80gb are identical dimensions so I guess I'll just grab the vivo black dock from ebay.
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nudel 2006-10-06, 19:27 #142
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So I can drop it in the dock connected to the PC to charge/sync, just like my past Karma.

But I can do those things with my amazing iPod dock:

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:-)
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Einkoro (Administrator) 2006-10-06, 21:18 #143
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So I can drop it in the dock connected to the PC to charge/sync, just like my past Karma.

But I can do those things with my amazing iPod dock:

[Image: http://www.pretentiousname.com/temp/amazingipoddock.jpg]

:-)

Eww cords! Some of my cats would love to eat those exposed cords, just like every pair of headphones I leave on the desk.
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That's why its so easy to turn 110 VAC into 220. >:D
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nudel 2006-10-07, 07:59 #145
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Eww cords! Some of my cats would love to eat those exposed cords, just like every pair of headphones I leave on the desk.

Hehe, I want to see a photo of your cat-proof desk now.

Have you thought of smothering the cables in poo? That would keep the cats away.

Right, I'm off outside to go get some 4pm breakfast and see if the Xbox Live Vision camera is in my local shop so that I can expose my international online digital pee-pee to people who are trying to play Uno.
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Quote by MrCookie989 on 2006-09-30, 13:26:
On my Karma, I could only get 100% gapless all the time/every time using FLAC, nothing else. Mp3's of any and all kinds would rarely get a 'gap-blip'. Certain albums that ALWAYS had a gap-blip using Karma (DSotM, Tommy, Who's Next, Live Aus Berlin) excpet when using FLAC can play back gaplessly on my Nano.

DSOTM works for me.  I've had problems, but I traced them back to a bad rip to FLAC.  Don't recall Tommy having problems either....all mys tuff is ogg vorbis.
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Quote by nudel on 2006-09-30, 17:54:
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Since you can't even get music on the iPod without iTunes I don't think it makes sense for them to raise the point that it "can't do gapless without iTunes", whatever that actually means.
Actually, yes, you can. There are countless plugins for different programs that allow you to load music on your iPod without using iTunes, so your logic is flawed.
You're just being pedantic. The other programs do the same thing as iTunes. I didn't think it was worth saying "iTunes or something that emulates iTunes" as I figured that went without saying and, either way, it has nothing to do with what I was arguing.

The iPod does do proper gapless and I think it's silly to say it's not proper gapless, just because it relies on data written by iTunes (or some software which does the same thing as iTunes), because you can't actually get music on the device without using iTunes (or some software which does the same thing as iTunes) in the first place.

Here's the question: can you put songs on your iPod using an older version of iTunes? 
When you use that older version, does the iPod play back DSOTM without gaps?

If the answer is no, then it sounds like they're using something to work-aroud the issue for now. 

I'm only looking at this with AAC, because I have no idea how good or bad the Karma (or any other gapless player, assuming they exist) handles MP3s.  AAC, as I understand it, was designed for gapless playback, so the player should work with the file without going through iTunes, just like the karma could playback Vorbis files without gaps, without doing anything to the tag/file (AFAIK), and I can't imagine many used RMM to encode their albums.

Kludge or not, Apple is finally moving in the right direction.
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I'm not sure how accurate it is, but FWIW, you can open up the EQ menu in iTunes and it gives you a graphical representation of the position of the sliders (if that's what you're asking).

Thanks! I didn't know about that. That answers my question of how people knew/thought the bass booster needed 6db of headroom when running AACGain.

Strangely, the Small Speakers preset looks like a combination of Bass Booster and Treble Reducer. I wonder why I didn't hear any clipping/distortion with that? Either I wasn't playing the same song and wasn't paying attention or the preset's different on the iPod. Probably the former.

I've seen a post someplace where the writer said that you can actually set the EQ for the files in iTunes for each song/album.  I don't know how good it is and i'm unsure if this changes the file or if it's just a tag setting that the iPod reads.  If it's the latter, i consider that a great feature.

If I could change the EQ on the Karma, i'd have the bandwidth/freq settings for each band set on the same window as the EQ and each Custom preset could have different freq/width settings.
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Here's the question: can you put songs on your iPod using an older version of iTunes? 
When you use that older version, does the iPod play back DSOTM without gaps?

If the answer is no, then it sounds like they're using something to work-aroud the issue for now. 

To do gapless the iPod relies on tags which are only written by iTunes 7. That's all they are. Tags.

Saying it's not proper gapless because iTunes 6 doesn't do gapless is the same as claiming that LAME MP3 doesn't do gapless properly. If you encode DSOTM with an older version of LAME then it won't be gapless because only newer verisons of LAME include the exact track-length tag required to do gapless playback. Exactly the same with iTunes 6 vs 7. That's all iTunes 7 is doing, writing a tag. There's no magic or hacks or trickery or kludges or Steve Jobs feeling up anyone's buttocks going on. It's proper gapless.
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That's all well and good, but working within the MP3 codec, the only way to do gapless is via tags. MP3 technically is not gapless. However, AAC is by nature a gapless codec, if I understand correctly, therefore kludges like exact length tags shouldn't be necessary and only go to show that Apple with their endless engineers, countless coders, and let us not forget, massive mounds of moolah, still couldn't implement true gapless on their own proprietary codec.
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