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Subject: The Karma nested playlists thread.
Just wanted to get this copied over before we lose it:
"hey wow! karma DOES support nested playlists-redux"
And I don't mean the OTF Playlisting as discussed a year and a half ago. I mean real nested playlists. Not to mention soups, aka "Smart Playlists", built on whatever search criteria you can think of.
Ok, looking at the dates of the relevant threads on the empeg board I realize this is really really really old news, but it's brand new to me.
I did a bunch of searches over at Forums-Riovolution.com but only found one vague mention of it by mschrag, but nothing definitive. And since this introduces a whole new way of organizing and listening to music on my 2.5 year old Karma and is making me oh so happy, I couldn't help post a brand new thread about it.
Now, there are a bunch of caveates, but for the adventurous nested playlists and soups are very fucking cool.
Read THIS and THIS before taking the plunge.
When I get home from work tomorrow, I plan on uninstalling RMM and hope to never use it again. My new plan will likely be to use WinAmp or Foobar for managing my music library on my PC and jemplode for transfering tunes to the Karma.
happy happy happy joy joy joy
jemplode is the precursor to RMML: A java app for managing the songs already on the Empeg/Rio Car/Rio Karma. While RMML is easy to use, jemplode is very powerful. From what I understand, RMML and jemplode still share a good chunk of code.
A "Soup" is a custom auto-updating smart-playlist that you can create based on any kind of search criteria you can think of involving tags. For example, I created a soup of all tracks that have "alt", "prog", "punk" or "goth" in the genre tag grouped ("layered") by Genre, then by Artist, then by Album, then sorted by track number.
So how does this look on my Karma?
Play.Music
..Playlists
....My.Soup.Playlist
......Genre.1
.........Artist.A
...........Album.AA
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
...........Album.AB
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
.........Artist.B
...........Album.BA
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
...........Album.BB
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
......Genre.2
etc.
So the Karma allows you to play the entire Nested Playlist or any subset of the playlist such as a particular genre, artist, album or track. And because of the Track sort order I included when I created the Soup, I'm guarantee that all the albums will play in the correct order.
According to mschrag, the contents of the Soup get updated whenever you synch the Karma using jemplode, but haven't had a chance to test that yet.
I'm avoiding using RMM at all as that might deliberately flatten my nested playlist.
First a major disclaimer: I have no idea what impact this might have on the integrity of the Karma's database, so be prepared to empty and re-load it if anything goes wrong.
As I understand it, this appears to work mainly because the Karma's firmware has its roots in the original Empeg/RioCar. But since the devs apparently did not explicity write in support for nested playlists, you'll want to be able to start over reload all your music if need be.
So here's what I did:
Running jEmplode
*Download Jemplode.jar and rmml.jar to the same folder on your hardrive. I put mine in C:\Program Files\Rio\RMML\
RMML.jar - https://rmml.dev.java.net/files/documents/1...250/rmmlite.jar
Jemplode.jar - http://www.jempeg.org/current/jemplode.jar
*Connect an ethernet cable to your dock.
*Disconnect the USB cable from the dock. I find the USB connection to Windows can cause jEmplode<->Karma database lock errors when trying to synch.
*Dock your Karma.
*If you haven't already, make sure to give it a network password. Menu Button -> Settings -> Network -> Password
*Write down the Karma's IP address. If you have it set to DHCP, you can get the current IP from Menu Button -> Settings -> Network -> Current Lease.
*Launch jemplode.jar (you can double click it or use Start -> Run).
*When it starts up, it should find your Karma on the network. If not, click the Options button and enable "Network Broadcast". (Ignore the USB option, I have yet to get that to work.) Select your Karma and click OK.
*In a few moments, you should see jemplode download and display the contents of the Karma's database.
Querying Tracks & Building Soups
*Once jEmplode has loaded your Karma's database, select the "Search" tab in the upper left under the toolbar.
*If you only want to search for a single Title, Artist, Album, Genre or Year, you can use the text boxes provided. Otherwise, use the "Advanced Search" option.
*Assuming you went with advanced, you'll want to review the Queries and Tag Names page. In my case, I wanted anything with "alt," "punk," "goth" or "ind" in the genre. So my query looks like this: genre like "alt" or genre like "goth" or genre like "punk" or genre like "ind". Then click the Search button to see the results.
*If you're happy with the results, click the "Save" button.
*This should bring up the Soup Editor dialog box, with the text of your query as the first entry. Here's where you get to build the layout of your nested/layered playlist.
*First, give your Soup a name.
*Near the bottom, select "On the Empeg" (In this case, "the Empeg" is your Karma).
*Then start building. To build the example from my earlier post I did the following:
*Click Add Tag Layer
*Select "Genre" in the top drop down box. Leave the "Sort by" as "Title". Click OK. It's weird but I read that the Sort By here should always be Title.
*Click Add Tag Layer a 2nd time.
*Select "Artist" in the top drop down box. Leave the "Sort by" as "Title". Click OK.
*Click Add Tag Layer a 3rd time.
*Select "Album" in the top drop down box. Leave the "Sort by" as "Title". Click OK.
*Click Add Tracks Sort Layer
*Set the "Sort By" to "Track #" and Click OK.
*Back at the main jEmplode screen, select the "Transfer Details" tab and click the "Transfer" button.
*When you're done, close jEmplode before you undock you Karma.
*On your Karma, click Play Music / Insert / Append -> Playlists and start drilling down through your nested playlist. At each layer, you'll have the option to "Play all tracks". This will play all the layers you see in that screen and all their sub-layers.
Sorry, I didn't post any screenshots, but hopefully this will be straightforward enough.
Links:
RMML.jar - https://rmml.dev.java.net/files/documents/1...250/rmmlite.jar
Jemplode.jar - http://www.jempeg.org/current/jemplode.jar
jEmplode/RMML's Queries & Tag Names - http://www.jempeg.org/QueriesAndTagNames.html
It looks like RMM is still the best way to upload tracks to the Karma. Whatever you do, do not try to edit any of your Soup playlists in RMM, RMML or on the Karma itself.
Edit: I forgot to mention jEmplode supports drag and drop from Windows Explorer. Only thing is it will allow duplicates.
Enjoy.
Edit: Added a line about disconnecting the USB cable in the how-to section.
"hey wow! karma DOES support nested playlists-redux"
And I don't mean the OTF Playlisting as discussed a year and a half ago. I mean real nested playlists. Not to mention soups, aka "Smart Playlists", built on whatever search criteria you can think of.
Ok, looking at the dates of the relevant threads on the empeg board I realize this is really really really old news, but it's brand new to me.
I did a bunch of searches over at Forums-Riovolution.com but only found one vague mention of it by mschrag, but nothing definitive. And since this introduces a whole new way of organizing and listening to music on my 2.5 year old Karma and is making me oh so happy, I couldn't help post a brand new thread about it.
Now, there are a bunch of caveates, but for the adventurous nested playlists and soups are very fucking cool.
Read THIS and THIS before taking the plunge.
When I get home from work tomorrow, I plan on uninstalling RMM and hope to never use it again. My new plan will likely be to use WinAmp or Foobar for managing my music library on my PC and jemplode for transfering tunes to the Karma.
happy happy happy joy joy joy
jemplode is the precursor to RMML: A java app for managing the songs already on the Empeg/Rio Car/Rio Karma. While RMML is easy to use, jemplode is very powerful. From what I understand, RMML and jemplode still share a good chunk of code.
A "Soup" is a custom auto-updating smart-playlist that you can create based on any kind of search criteria you can think of involving tags. For example, I created a soup of all tracks that have "alt", "prog", "punk" or "goth" in the genre tag grouped ("layered") by Genre, then by Artist, then by Album, then sorted by track number.
So how does this look on my Karma?
Play.Music
..Playlists
....My.Soup.Playlist
......Genre.1
.........Artist.A
...........Album.AA
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
...........Album.AB
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
.........Artist.B
...........Album.BA
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
...........Album.BB
.............Track.1
.............Track.2
.............Track.3
......Genre.2
etc.
So the Karma allows you to play the entire Nested Playlist or any subset of the playlist such as a particular genre, artist, album or track. And because of the Track sort order I included when I created the Soup, I'm guarantee that all the albums will play in the correct order.
According to mschrag, the contents of the Soup get updated whenever you synch the Karma using jemplode, but haven't had a chance to test that yet.
I'm avoiding using RMM at all as that might deliberately flatten my nested playlist.
First a major disclaimer: I have no idea what impact this might have on the integrity of the Karma's database, so be prepared to empty and re-load it if anything goes wrong.
As I understand it, this appears to work mainly because the Karma's firmware has its roots in the original Empeg/RioCar. But since the devs apparently did not explicity write in support for nested playlists, you'll want to be able to start over reload all your music if need be.
So here's what I did:
Running jEmplode
*Download Jemplode.jar and rmml.jar to the same folder on your hardrive. I put mine in C:\Program Files\Rio\RMML\
RMML.jar - https://rmml.dev.java.net/files/documents/1...250/rmmlite.jar
Jemplode.jar - http://www.jempeg.org/current/jemplode.jar
*Connect an ethernet cable to your dock.
*Disconnect the USB cable from the dock. I find the USB connection to Windows can cause jEmplode<->Karma database lock errors when trying to synch.
*Dock your Karma.
*If you haven't already, make sure to give it a network password. Menu Button -> Settings -> Network -> Password
*Write down the Karma's IP address. If you have it set to DHCP, you can get the current IP from Menu Button -> Settings -> Network -> Current Lease.
*Launch jemplode.jar (you can double click it or use Start -> Run).
*When it starts up, it should find your Karma on the network. If not, click the Options button and enable "Network Broadcast". (Ignore the USB option, I have yet to get that to work.) Select your Karma and click OK.
*In a few moments, you should see jemplode download and display the contents of the Karma's database.
Querying Tracks & Building Soups
*Once jEmplode has loaded your Karma's database, select the "Search" tab in the upper left under the toolbar.
*If you only want to search for a single Title, Artist, Album, Genre or Year, you can use the text boxes provided. Otherwise, use the "Advanced Search" option.
*Assuming you went with advanced, you'll want to review the Queries and Tag Names page. In my case, I wanted anything with "alt," "punk," "goth" or "ind" in the genre. So my query looks like this: genre like "alt" or genre like "goth" or genre like "punk" or genre like "ind". Then click the Search button to see the results.
*If you're happy with the results, click the "Save" button.
*This should bring up the Soup Editor dialog box, with the text of your query as the first entry. Here's where you get to build the layout of your nested/layered playlist.
*First, give your Soup a name.
*Near the bottom, select "On the Empeg" (In this case, "the Empeg" is your Karma).
*Then start building. To build the example from my earlier post I did the following:
*Click Add Tag Layer
*Select "Genre" in the top drop down box. Leave the "Sort by" as "Title". Click OK. It's weird but I read that the Sort By here should always be Title.
*Click Add Tag Layer a 2nd time.
*Select "Artist" in the top drop down box. Leave the "Sort by" as "Title". Click OK.
*Click Add Tag Layer a 3rd time.
*Select "Album" in the top drop down box. Leave the "Sort by" as "Title". Click OK.
*Click Add Tracks Sort Layer
*Set the "Sort By" to "Track #" and Click OK.
*Back at the main jEmplode screen, select the "Transfer Details" tab and click the "Transfer" button.
*When you're done, close jEmplode before you undock you Karma.
*On your Karma, click Play Music / Insert / Append -> Playlists and start drilling down through your nested playlist. At each layer, you'll have the option to "Play all tracks". This will play all the layers you see in that screen and all their sub-layers.
Sorry, I didn't post any screenshots, but hopefully this will be straightforward enough.
Links:
RMML.jar - https://rmml.dev.java.net/files/documents/1...250/rmmlite.jar
Jemplode.jar - http://www.jempeg.org/current/jemplode.jar
jEmplode/RMML's Queries & Tag Names - http://www.jempeg.org/QueriesAndTagNames.html
It looks like RMM is still the best way to upload tracks to the Karma. Whatever you do, do not try to edit any of your Soup playlists in RMM, RMML or on the Karma itself.
Edit: I forgot to mention jEmplode supports drag and drop from Windows Explorer. Only thing is it will allow duplicates.
Enjoy.
Edit: Added a line about disconnecting the USB cable in the how-to section.
This post was edited on 2006-07-17, 07:57 by 
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