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MacDancer #16
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There certainly will be a lot done to try to fight it, but it looks fairly bleak until we can get a ballot measure to overturn prop 8 passed. The issue is that prop 8 modifies the California state constitution, which has an equal rights clause similar to that in the national constitution, but now also includes a definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman. So, while you could argue that our state constitution now implies a violation of the national one (by not affording homosexual couples the right to marry like everyone else), you wouldn't get anywhere. Most prominent is the fact that judges don't tend to like to reinterpret the law to nullify a newly passed ballot measure, a law voted on by anyone and everyone who cares one way or the other rather than a legislative or executive decision, and most important is the fact that we'd then be putting it into Federal court. Which means that it'd eventually go to the Supreme court. Which means a bunch of decrepit old bigots would end up telling the fags to burn in hell and keep their simpering hands off our marriages.

As I implied above, I'm very optimistic that we'll get gay marriage back within a decade or two, but it's still upsetting. I'm pretty pissed off at California right now. However, I think electing Obama as President was more important for the long-term well-being of our nation than maintaining the right of gay couples to marry, so overall last night was a victory for me. We're in so much shit right now economically and otherwise that gay marriage isn't as important to me as getting out of it, given that many (but not all) of the rights associated therewith are available to any gay couple who can afford to file a small mountain of paperwork.
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Well I voted for the first time yesterday. Against 8. Today I wake up read the paper, prop 8, people loved those yellow signs. As I start my commute to work, My friend and I take off on our bikes, to my job at a local bike shop, and on a local street there is a giant prop eight sign that has the in large red letters "Victory". I think to myself hooray. Californians are dyslectic and clearly thought no ment yes.
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John30_06 #18
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There certainly will be a lot done to try to fight it, but it looks fairly bleak until we can get a ballot measure to overturn prop 8 passed. The issue is that prop 8 modifies the California state constitution, which has an equal rights clause similar to that in the national constitution, but now also includes a definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman. So, while you could argue that our state constitution now implies a violation of the national one (by not affording homosexual couples the right to marry like everyone else), you wouldn't get anywhere. Most prominent is the fact that judges don't tend to like to reinterpret the law to nullify a newly passed ballot measure, a law voted on by anyone and everyone who cares one way or the other rather than a legislative or executive decision, and most important is the fact that we'd then be putting it into Federal court. Which means that it'd eventually go to the Supreme court. Which means a bunch of decrepit old bigots would end up telling the fags to burn in hell and keep their simpering hands off our marriages.

As I implied above, I'm very optimistic that we'll get gay marriage back within a decade or two, but it's still upsetting. I'm pretty pissed off at California right now. However, I think electing Obama as President was more important for the long-term well-being of our nation than maintaining the right of gay couples to marry, so overall last night was a victory for me. We're in so much shit right now economically and otherwise that gay marriage isn't as important to me as getting out of it, given that many (but not all) of the rights associated therewith are available to any gay couple who can afford to file a small mountain of paperwork.

I think that's a pretty grown-up response. I can see Obama being literally deluged by the minorities who've been shit on forever, who now expect that, hey, he can win, he can do miracles, he can wave a magic Unicorn wand and make everything instantly good.
 That is beyond unrealistic. This country still has a lot of bitter, hateful people, and now they're angrier and more sullen as a result of the election.


Oh, and props and a big shout-out to exiting Prez Geo. dubya Bush for making this day possible. It was 8 yrs of hell, Geo, don't let the door of history hit you in the ass on the way out, you schmuck.
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Oh, and props and a big shout-out to exiting Prez Geo. dubya Bush for making this day possible. It was 8 yrs of hell, Geo, don't let the door of history hit you in the ass on the way out, you schmuck.


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